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Good morning, everyone.

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Good day, good evening,
depending on where you are.

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I'm Chris Freeland, and I'd like to
welcome you to our third and final session

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of the Library Leaders Forum.

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So I've been coming to the Leaders Forum
since the late Audis, and it was always

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the event that I planned
my October travel around.

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This year, of course,
we had to change things up.

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And so we've paced this
conversation out over three weeks.

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Today's final session will bring together
the themes that we explored in our

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earlier session,
earlier sessions of policy and community.

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Today we're going to highlight the
impacts of controlled digital lending

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by hearing from one of its creators.

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And we're also going to see how CDL can
help preserve entire libraries, helping

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serve a local as well as an
international community of scholars.

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So here's the game plan for the day.

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We're going to look back over the previous
sessions of the Library Leaders Forum.

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We're going to present the award,
the Internet Archive Hero Award to Michelle Wu,

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as we mentioned in our first session,
the policy session.

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We're then going to talk about something
that's really exciting, the grand

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reopening of the Mary Grove College Library.

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And then we'll close today by wrapping up
with our Empowering Libraries campaign

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and how we keep this conversation
going beyond the forum.

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I'd like to remind everyone, if you can,
while you're sitting here in our

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sessions, please feel free to tweet out
to your community of followers using the

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Empowering Libraries hashtag.

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I do want to bring one other thing to mind.

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So in June of this year, it was announced
that the Internet Archive is facing a

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legal challenge for controlled digital
lending brought by four of the

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world's largest commercial publishers.

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We won't be able to talk about that
litigation today because it is active

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litigation, but we're going to instead
talk about how controlled digital lending

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works and how libraries are using
controlled digital lending while we're

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continuing to figure out how we work
in our disrupted environment due to

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the global pandemic.

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So looking back on our previous days,
our previous sessions,

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we started off on October 6 with our
policy session and that was facilitated by

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Leila Bailey,
who's the Internet Archives Policy Council.

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And Leila facilitated a conversation
with creators, with authors, with

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publishers, with policy experts,
with copyright experts about the information

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ecosystem that we are working in,
what's working and what's not working.

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We captured that video that's now available
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at libraryleadersforum.org.
If you'd like to go back and rewatch that.

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We had a screenshot that you're seeing
here is from author Cory Doctorow, who

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gave a really fiery and impassioned
series of comments about how controlled

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digital lending works for him as an
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community, the creative community.

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So really, really good video there for
some light watching if you're in the mood

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later tonight or maybe over the weekend,
you can do a binge watch of

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the Library Leaders Forum.

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So that was our first session.
We also then at that session announced that

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Michelle Wu would be receiving
the Internet Archive Hero Award.

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Our second session last week, I facilitated
a conversation among the community of

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practice or practitioners who are
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practice for controlled digital lending.

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And so we brought together technologists,
librarians and educators to talk about

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how controlled digital lending is working
for them in their local situations, and

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how together, we are all working in
support of controlled digital lending.

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Again, that recording is also available
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libraryleadersforum.org.

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But enough looking back, we've got an
exciting program planned for today and to

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kick things off, I'd like to welcome
Brewster Kale, the Internet Archives

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founder and digital librarian.

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Over to you Brewster.

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Thank you, Chris, and welcome everybody.
This is an exciting time. This is our

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big event for the year.

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The Internet Archive has an Internet
Archive Hero Award. For us, that means we

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try to celebrate and support and give
recognition to people that have gone out on

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a limb, that have done something
with vision and were right.

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But more than that,
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making things open.

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John Perry Barlow received it one year,
Phillips Academy Andover received it

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another year. And this year,
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And to introduce Michelle Wu,
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policy counsel for the Internet Archives,
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Michelle because through,
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Leila's career and vision and seeing what's
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go and support open.

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So I would like to to hand off to Leila
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Hero Award, Michelle Wu.

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Hi, everybody. Hopefully I am on now.
Um, yeah so as Brewster

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said, when we were talking about who
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for today's award ceremony.

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I really wanted to do it, because I
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Michelle Wu and the outsized impact that
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ecosystem,
the Internet Archive and on me personally.

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The first time I met Michelle was actually
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stage at the 2015 library leaders forum,
where she was talking about the Internet

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Archives digitize and lend program
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The idea that we would lead are all come
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was really fascinated by this idea but I
also had a lot of questions. And at one

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of the breaks, I got a chance to talk to
Michelle, and she's spent probably 1520

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minutes just patiently talking to me through
it answering all of my questions and

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over the next five years of working with
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her advocacy works. It's often just
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That day I went home, and I read
Michelle's 2011 paper on the collaborative

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collection building. And that paper
begins by encouraging her fellow law

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librarians to imagine a world where your
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they need, regardless of time, space,
or resources. And in that paper Michelle

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laid out what was really a call to
action for law libraries to pull their

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resources together to create a centralized
digital library that any of their

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users can access anywhere, anytime.

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So Michelle had identified a serious
problem through her own personal experience

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and I want you to keep this image in your
mind as she tells you more about it.

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See she discovered firsthand that
libraries are vulnerable to the ravages of

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natural disasters like floods or like the
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in California. And this issue is only
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Michelle also knew that the communities
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extreme natural disasters were the ones
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of adequate funding for schools,
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These were also the communities
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rebuild after a disaster.

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So, as this interdisciplinary person
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technologist, she was able to see a common
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the law to take a big step
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Her solution of control digital lending
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informational resources, not just for the
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the areas that could otherwise
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Books purchased by wealthy institutions
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for lower resourced communities.
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a true believer that day.

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And since then, I have seen her do this
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in this ideal passionately,
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patiently and methodically.

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And what I've learned by watching
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advocacy share a lot of skills,
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Whether she's talking at a conference of
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copyright law, or to lawyers who know
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about the day to day workings of libraries,
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university council that have to manage
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libraries implementing control digital lending,
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the benefits of control digital
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In each of these situations,
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She's never condescending.

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Michelle takes the time to answer all the
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the practical technicalities.
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everyone, and for everything.

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She's also continued to put out scholarship
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her original 2011 proposal.

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That work has not only supported the
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reality for millions of readers,
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the next generation of lawyers and
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creatively about next generation problems.

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Michelle always envisioned that the world
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users are able to access every resource
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resources would be a team effort.

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And through Michelle's advocacy and
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the Internet Archive are creating
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And at last week's community session we
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And as we build this world together,
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Michelle's idea that most inspired me
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libraries coming together to share their
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That together, we can close the
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economic inequality in this country.

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That elite institutions can share their
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more vulnerable communities. Controlled
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make us all better together.

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And this is the idea that pushes forward
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universal access to all knowledge
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our hero award today.

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I could not be more excited and proud to
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make Michelle's vision a reality.
So please join me in welcoming Michelle Wu

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here to our virtual stage.

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Thank you, Lila, for that tremendous
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with Internet Archive and you over the years.

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I want to thank Internet Archive as well
for this award. It is a tremendous honor

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to receive it, especially having seen
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Before I share my thoughts on the past,
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lending, I do want to express or take time
to express thanks to the collaborators

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who have made my work in CDO,
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First, thanks to my co authors on the
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Courtney, Dave Hanson,
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As without their statement and their
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and library associations about CDO,
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With any vision, I'd say the hardest
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And Leah was a person who did that heavy
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workflows, coding, training staff to
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also ensuring that whatever we did was
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responsibilities,
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Theory tends to fall short
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understanding how it actually works.

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And until Internet Archive built their
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way to show people how
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Their investment in building tools for
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examples of how CDO might work,
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practical questions for
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So many thanks to all of these individuals
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partnership with me and for what
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Leah did allude to the history
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Some of you may already know the origins
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aftermath of a natural disaster.

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You saw the picture of Tropical Storm
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the University of Houston's Law Library.

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And I was hired by UH in 2001 as
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in the cleanup after that storm.

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The library you see had a floor
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that's where most of its collections were.

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higher floors, what water didn't get molded.

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FEMA provided funding for rebuilding,
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over 20 million to rebuild the collection.

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And as much of a relief as it was to
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rebuilt, I was also struck by
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that full access to the materials would
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It either wasn't in print and wasn't
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That could never be replaced,
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safeguards, we were rebuilding it to be
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another natural disaster down the line.

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So it was in this environment that I
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digitization and format shifting
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today is called controlled digital lending.

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The vision was of a collaborative nationwide
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access to and preservation of libraries'
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natural and manmade catastrophes,
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been better protected at the front end.

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at the beginning. Once I explained how
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that it was designed to continue balance,
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both purposes of copyright were met.

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copies acquired, and libraries could
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simply freed from any given format.

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That history and the fact that I didn't
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is part of the reason why I think getting
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It never occurred to me then that nearly
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would have grown so accustomed to
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copyright that a legal theory
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copyright would be seen as revolutionary.

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keeping the balance of copyright warts at all.

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So that's the history of how the legal
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to put out a few comments on where I
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So my first comment is on the litigation
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have brought against the Internet Archive,
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attack, not a specific technology,
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While there isn't time to talk about
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worth noting why I believe that CDL will
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libraries make themselves and
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We've seen this battle before. We've heard
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the case of library lending,
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every time there is a new technology.

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We saw it with photocopiers,
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computers, with caching, with databases.
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is always used as an argument to try to
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rarely supported by data.

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The good news is that in these instances,
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between fear-based arguments from
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respected and safeguarded the public interest.

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But here's the catch. Courts will only
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in so far as they are aware of it.
We cannot assume what they know when it comes

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to library collections or
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They simply don't interact with the users
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realize how access might be hindered
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They may not see how loss of access
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research or even daily living.
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solutions to some of these challenges.

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No one understands these issues better
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the public interest is served are fully
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and courts at the time that
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If we do that, I believe that the
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My second comment about where we
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As all of you know, the pandemic has been
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between the wealthy and the poor in every
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was one of those heavy,
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And that's a changing attitudes towards
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the last decade, at least in my discussions
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and council,
a major impediment to wide adoption of CDL

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has been the legal aspects.

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Many organizations who were convinced
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counsel or boards reluctant to adopt
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Not risk that the legal premise was faulty,
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the potential cost and investment of time
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untested theory. And when I say untested,
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courts, not untested in practice.

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Understandable, the position was
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frustrating as unwilling to innovate
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library communities were unwilling to or
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the rules of the game instead
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systems the way they thought they should work.

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But the closing of our libraries due to
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think. It showed how the desire to avoid
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harm to populations,
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access was more important than ever.

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Now, libraries seem more willing to press
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rather than just accepting potential risk
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And governing bodies seem to have a
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their libraries proactively protect
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available, including taking the risk of
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be lost just when it's most needed.

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With this new heightened awareness,
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only do I think CDL will flourish,
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libraries will more aggressively fight
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benefits of copyright that
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As Dean Smith said during the opening session,
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beginning. The future of access,
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access for every person, for every child
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knowledge that they need to succeed,
that's an open access. But as long as works

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traditionally published are still assigned
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research, are still read by our users,
it is absolutely essential of the balance

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in copyright survive,
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CDL to ensure that balance.

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I believe that reliable access to information
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shapes each of us, and lack of it is
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If you doubt this, just take a look at nations,
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censorship to control information,
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Germany and Japan during World War Two.

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And it's pretty impossible to deny that
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impact on their population's view of
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Reading is known to build empathy and
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experiences different from their own.
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information available is varied.
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consistently true.

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Libraries that exist in wealthier
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have fundamentally different
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in smaller or poorer communities.

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When access to information is determined
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that people develop different worldviews based

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on the materials available to them.

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So what I'm going to say is, imagine instead
a world where everyone has access to

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all of its libraries collections,
where the information that someone has access

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to doesn't depend on wealth, location,
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political leanings, where everyone can
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as well as a world of books on people
unlike them, where they have the resources

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to research a fact for validity or
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Now, even though that is the big vision,
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necessarily reality, largely because
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complex and not,
it doesn't lend itself to that type of use.

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However, I believe that that vision can
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under current law and with technologies
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I imagine a nation where every title has
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library discovery layer integrated with
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allows users to search and borrow from
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where the lending mechanism allows for
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It would be a system where everyone has
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simultaneously as we still need
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priorities,
but they would have access nonetheless.

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It would be a system that allows for
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recognize our obligations to the people
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enables materials to be
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when its members aren't using them.

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Inequality has been growing in the United
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that it won't change unless we find a way
to change it. There are ways to share

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wealth while honoring commitments
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libraries have the will to do it.

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Information is power. It always has been.

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Part of the role of libraries is to ensure
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to the wealthy, privileged,
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That to me is the future of CDL.

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It's not in CDL itself, but it will be
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lessen inequality. Thank you.
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very much for, again,
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providing a legal background for all of this,
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all get there together.

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But you actually went another step with
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tried it within your own libraries and
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reason that you are more than just a visionary,
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And I'm going to do something kind of
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to take a physical object and present
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So here's the Internet Archive Hero Award.
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over and thank you.

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Thank you very much, Brewster.
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been a pleasure working with
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Thank you very much, Michelle.
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on this call right now, and thank you for your

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leadership. Back to you, Chris.

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Thanks, Brewster, and congrats again
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three weeks together, we've been
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libraries are using controlled digital
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challenges in the information landscape,
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challenges that Michelle just mentioned.

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So CDL is being used to reach distance
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with disabilities that impact reading,
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CDL is being used for something else as well.
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the pandemic, but permanent closures of
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preserve the legacy and the cultural
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And today, I want to tell you how CDL,
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preserve the legacy of Marygrove College.

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Marygrove College was founded in 1905 by
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Heart of Mary and moved to its Detroit campus,
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Marygrove was originally a women's college.

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It became co-ed in the 1970s, and in recent
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programs in human resource
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But in 2017, facing financial hardship,
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programs. And then, in January of last year,
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the entire college would close in December.

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And so a central question for Dr.
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was what would happen to the library
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What happens to the books in a
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What happens to the community
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When I heard that Marygrove was going to
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my heart that there would be other students
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justice perspective that an education
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That the sisters had to give this up.

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In 1905, the Sisters of the Immaculate
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training generations of women to be teachers
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of social justice. Its books reflected
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to 70,000 volumes.

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Think of all the students that sat at these
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and wrote those papers. What are you
going to do with that spirit? Who can

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be trusted with that?

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I'm Brewster Kale, founder and digital
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idea is to build universal access to all
knowledge. Can anybody, curious enough,

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to want to go and find information,
be able to find it, read it, explore it, dive

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into it, and then be able to add
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You borrow something and you have to return it.
But when you return it, you

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should be better off for having had it.

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So we showed up, there were 40 people
working to pack up this library into boxes

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and putting them on trucks. And those
then are digitized and the digital copies

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are put online, but in digital rights
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only one reader at a time.

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Today, less than a year after the library
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Library digital collection is
available to people everywhere.

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When they told us that they were going
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exactly what that meant.
So actually seeing it now, this was a

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stroke of genius. This Internet
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A library is much more than the books
on the shelves. It is the center of a

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community. It reflects a history of a
hundred years of interests and passions and

447
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collections that have been built by librarians,
faculty, students.

448
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I borrow something from you.
It might be a thought. And that thought made me

449
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better. Now what can I do with that
thought that returns it to you in

450
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a way that makes you better?

451
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And having that collection all online to
be used by people all over the world.

452
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That is the idea of the blossoming
of this next generation of

453
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Mary Grove College Library.

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A tower of ivory swathed in a love so bold,

455
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a beloved dream of a sister of soul.
As we move forward

456
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to a bright new day,
the values we cherish uphold and sustain

457
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our born and new generations.
Tower of ivory aflame.

458
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[...] same place. Our conversations with
Mary Grove started last summer. So I've

459
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had the opportunity to talk with several
campus leaders about what this donation

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means to the Internet Archive and what
it means for the Mary Grove community.

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And here now is Dr.
Elizabeth Burns, the president of Mary

462
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Grove College, to tell us more.

463
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My name is Elizabeth Burns,
and I am the president of Mary Grove College.

464
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So I think that you have to remember what
the library is on a college campus. It

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is the heart of the campus for many people,
other people, it's important.

466
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But maybe not the heart, but you know
it is it's a really important part of a

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campus and campus life.
People study in the library,

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even if they're bringing their own books.

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In the modern world, modern era,
you know, it's IT access. So the library

470
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was very important to generations of alums.
It was the most often asked

471
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question that I got.

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It was what's going to happen to the library.
Some people ask that before they

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00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,000
even ask about the buildings. I think
they assume the buildings would stay, but

474
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,001
the library was was for a
foremost on their mind.

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It was a concern when I could share
with them that the library books and

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the materials were going to be
donated to the Internet Archives

477
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digitized and available online.

478
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They were excited. It was, you know,
as an administrator. I was incredibly

479
00:35:35,001 --> 00:35:41,001
grateful. This was hanging over over my head,
you know, the what to do with these

480
00:35:41,001 --> 00:35:43,001
all these wonderful books that we had.

481
00:35:44,001 --> 00:35:50,001
And so it was it was really very,
very critical decision, a very important

482
00:35:50,001 --> 00:35:57,001
decision that everyone was involved in.
And when we again with the offer of

483
00:35:57,001 --> 00:36:03,001
the Internet Archives to come and
take the collection packet up.

484
00:36:03,001 --> 00:36:10,001
I took some pictures of the books leaving
for California and, you know, all

485
00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:16,000
the boxes of books and it was it was sad.
It was sad to see them go. But the

486
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knowledge that they would still be
available and still be utilized

487
00:36:23,001 --> 00:36:30,001
Just kept us going. I mean, that is the
thing that keeps us going as we wrap up

488
00:36:30,001 --> 00:36:33,001
the college. It's a sad, sad time.

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But it is also a time where we know that
the impact of the college will continue.

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The impact obviously continues
through the work of the alums,

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but it also is a very tangible measure of Mary

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00:36:53,001 --> 00:36:55,000
Grove for the future.

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And so to keep our conversation going today.
I'd like to talk with three people

494
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000
who had very close ties to
Mary Grove Library or to the

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00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,001
library community in Detroit.

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00:37:13,001 --> 00:37:18,001
So I'd like to welcome the following panelists,
please go ahead and turn your

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video on and your in your audio.
Today we have with us, Dr. Brenda Bryant, who

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was The, the Dean and the director of
the social justice program at Mary Grove

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00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,000
College. We have Mike Hawthorne who was
librarian at Wayne State University,

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which is also local to Detroit.

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And we have Mary Kickham Sammi,
who was the the final librarian at Mary Grove

502
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,000
College Library. So I'd like to welcome
the three of you to our panel today.

503
00:37:48,001 --> 00:37:52,000
Thank you for for joining us.
I'm going to stop my share so we can just talk.

504
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Thank you for joining us today. Hi, Brenda.
Hi, Mary. Hi. Hi, Mike. How are you

505
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,001
all doing? Thank you for having us.

506
00:38:00,001 --> 00:38:05,001
Great. Thanks. Thanks for being here.
So what I'd like to do is have each of you

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00:38:05,001 --> 00:38:11,000
introduce yourself and tell tell everyone here,
you know, the 200 plus people who

508
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,001
are part of our session today,
a little bit about yourself

509
00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:15,000
and your connection to the library.

510
00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:18,001
Let's start with. How about you, Brenda.

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Sure.

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Yeah, my name is Brenda Bryant and I've
actually been with was with Mary Grove

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00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:32,000
for just a little over 20 years if you
can imagine. I was originally hired

514
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,000
to sustain and build on a Masters
in the Art of Teaching distance

515
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000
learning program and there we
struggled with how do we get resource

516
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,001
materials books to people.

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So that was an interesting thing.
But then I transitioned, given the mission of

518
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:57,000
the college, which was social justice
to build the first Masters of Arts in

519
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000
social justice, which was a huge success.

520
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,001
We have over 300 graduates and other
universities have since followed suit.

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00:39:08,001 --> 00:39:12,000
That's great. Thank you for that.
Let's go next to Mary.

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My name is Mary kick him Sammy,
I became the director of the library at Mary

523
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Grove College in 2017.
And I guess let it through

524
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,001
to its closing.

525
00:39:28,001 --> 00:39:33,001
I'm a teacher I taught English as a
foreign language and freshman English for

526
00:39:33,001 --> 00:39:38,001
many years, and a librarian,
I have a PhD in instructional design.

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00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:46,000
And I was hoping when I went
to Mary Grove to be able to

528
00:39:48,001 --> 00:39:52,000
help it through its,
you know, build its library.

529
00:39:54,001 --> 00:39:56,001
[...] Mary and how about over to you, Mike.

530
00:39:57,001 --> 00:40:03,001
Hi, my call thorn here from Wayne State
University. My connection with Mary Grove

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is one I am a native lifelong Detroiter and so,
and I grew up not too far from

532
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Mary Grove and so it was always a building
a facility of campus that I drove

533
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,001
past quite a few times.

534
00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:22,000
And so there's that emotional connection there.

535
00:40:24,001 --> 00:40:30,001
Also, Mary Grove was part of what was a
consortium called Dolan that. And as I

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00:40:30,001 --> 00:40:37,001
mentioned to, to, to Chris and folks,
just prior to the meeting, my connection I

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00:40:37,001 --> 00:40:39,000
when I found out they were closing.

538
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:45,001
I was interested in getting some of the
furniture from because I knew it's an old

539
00:40:45,001 --> 00:40:50,001
building it's an old, old campus,
some antique stuff is I thought it'd be great

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00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:55,000
to see if we can, if we could acquire
some really nice furniture library

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00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,000
furniture on the cheap. And then once
I got there met with Mary and then we

542
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,001
started talking realized there was an
opportunity for at the time when I thought

543
00:41:04,001 --> 00:41:10,000
Wayne State could could take some of the
collection and added at some of their

544
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,000
collection, particularly Detroit and
Michigan related content to our collection,

545
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,001
where we would then create sort
of a sub sub collection special

546
00:41:19,001 --> 00:41:21,000
collection Mary Grove collection.

547
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,001
And, but then after a while as as we'll
find out, we, we came to a different

548
00:41:27,001 --> 00:41:33,001
conclusion that it would be better for
everyone if the entire collection went to

549
00:41:33,001 --> 00:41:37,000
to Internet archives rather than
part of it coming to Wayne State.

550
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,001
So, thank you for having me.

551
00:41:39,001 --> 00:41:44,001
Yeah, Mike I'm I'm sure every librarian
in the room today is getting a chuckle

552
00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:49,000
about the going and scavenging the furniture
because that's what we do every like

553
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,000
that is the most valuable thing like give
me tables give me chairs right every

554
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,001
librarian is on the hunt for tables
and chairs to add to their collection.

555
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,001
I'd like to, to, I have some questions
here that I just like to bounce off

556
00:42:03,001 --> 00:42:05,000
everyone here and I'd like to start with Mary.

557
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,001
So, you know, given that you were the
last librarian at Mary Grove College. Can

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00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:13,000
you tell me about the library and about its

559
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
collection, what did it mean to campus.

560
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Well, some of my thoughts about the library
have already been talked about it, it

561
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,001
was, it is its physical presence is very.

562
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,001
It's just beautiful it would paneling and
high ceilings, everyone who walked into

563
00:42:34,001 --> 00:42:38,000
the library had to sort of stop for a
minute and just look around, you know,

564
00:42:38,001 --> 00:42:43,001
students wouldn't just necessarily march
through and try to get their homework

565
00:42:43,001 --> 00:42:47,001
done, there was community members would
want to hold their meetings there because

566
00:42:47,001 --> 00:42:52,001
it was, it was, it was a quiet place it was

567
00:42:52,001 --> 00:42:56,001
just very charming with.

568
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,001
You felt like you're walking back into
history as you walked into the library. So

569
00:43:02,001 --> 00:43:06,000
I kind of wanted to make them as
far as the collection is concerned.

570
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,000
The collection reflected the,
like all libraries we tried to the collection

571
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,000
reflected the programs and the courses
that were offered by Mary Grove but

572
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
also the student body as well.

573
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,001
And I started in 2017 so I
can't even actually we only

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00:43:27,001 --> 00:43:32,001
ordered maybe 123 print items
after I arrived there was just no.

575
00:43:33,001 --> 00:43:38,001
There's no budget for it,
but it was a robust I felt that a lot of

576
00:43:38,001 --> 00:43:40,001
attention had been given to the library.

577
00:43:40,001 --> 00:43:47,001
A lot of funding and interest in the
library because when I arrived it

578
00:43:47,001 --> 00:43:50,001
was the tell the collection itself is robust.

579
00:43:52,001 --> 00:43:58,000
You know, Mary I worked at Washington
University in St. Louis and academic

580
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,000
library and those academic libraries you
know they have it's a nearly religious

581
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
experience on a place it's a liminal.

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00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,000
You know it's that a reverent reverence
when you walk into the library so I that

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00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
resonated with me when you're talking
about people coming into the library

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00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000
that's, that's one of the things that
I think all of us who are drawn to

585
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,001
librarianship like about libraries for sure.

586
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,001
I'd like to turn to Dr. Bryant so you
know you as you mentioned you started the

587
00:44:26,001 --> 00:44:32,000
nation's first master's program in social
justice at Mary Grove. So how important

588
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000
was the library collection to your program.

589
00:44:35,001 --> 00:44:40,001
Well, first of all, just let me say the
library was considered our best kept

590
00:44:40,001 --> 00:44:46,001
secret between the staff the aura of it,
the book collection and

591
00:44:46,001 --> 00:44:50,001
just,
it was like a destination and in many ways.

592
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Like my friend good friend activist
friend Elena Rada, the collection was

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00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,001
important because in Detroit
reading is an act of resistance.

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00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:07,000
And this is kind of the position
that we would try to put out

595
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
there for our students.

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00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:15,000
The library author just
unbelievable access to all kinds

597
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,001
of social justice information.

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00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Think of the encyclopedia of social
movements where you could just flip through

599
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:30,001
it and see women's movements, women,
you know, in Africa and Asia I mean, just

600
00:45:30,001 --> 00:45:34,001
all over a history of social
movements in our world.

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It was also an inspiration and I remember
I was, I was kind of surprised but

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00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,001
very very happy.

603
00:45:43,001 --> 00:45:48,001
Some of you might might have heard of
Austin Channing price. She recently wrote a

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00:45:48,001 --> 00:45:50,001
book called, I'm still here.

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00:45:50,001 --> 00:45:57,000
She's a graduate of our program,
and she quotes, one of our books that we had in

606
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:03,001
the program that inspired her and it
was by Jimmy Baca, and it was called

607
00:46:03,001 --> 00:46:05,000
a place to stand.

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00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:12,000
So, you know, not only was it access and
inspiration for life, but, you know,

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00:46:12,001 --> 00:46:19,000
also, it was a chance to read to resist
understand what's going on in the world

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00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:24,000
and clearly understand our
history and how we got here.

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00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Reading is an act of resistance I
think we all have that's that's the

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00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,001
t shirt for the day right.

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00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:39,001
Mary I'd like to go back to you.
So, we understand that the that Mary grow faced

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00:46:39,001 --> 00:46:44,001
some financial challenges and and
made the very tough decision to

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00:46:44,001 --> 00:46:46,000
close some of its programs.

616
00:46:46,001 --> 00:46:50,001
So how did the,
how did those financial implications.

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00:46:51,001 --> 00:46:56,000
How did those impact your library operations
for the for the couple of years that

618
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,001
you were that you were in the role.

619
00:46:58,001 --> 00:47:02,000
Well, when I first started Mary Grove.

620
00:47:03,001 --> 00:47:06,001
It was, we had a very tiny book budget.

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00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:15,000
So there was a policy or I established
a policy with other college leaders to

622
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,000
move more towards an electronic collection
and away from ordering books and that

623
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,000
was the first that was before there was any.

624
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Not that was before there's open
talk about closing the college.

625
00:47:31,001 --> 00:47:37,001
We were already even our instruction
we're going online we were we joined the

626
00:47:37,001 --> 00:47:43,001
Michigan virtual reference collaboration
we we started an online tutoring

627
00:47:43,001 --> 00:47:50,001
program, and we started to shift
to buying to focusing on a

628
00:47:50,001 --> 00:47:56,001
video collection and then, but everything
but the collection was still pretty

629
00:47:56,001 --> 00:48:02,000
much multidisciplinary because the call
it was the largest the college was

630
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,001
predominantly an undergraduate program with,
and it was a liberal had a liberal

631
00:48:06,001 --> 00:48:10,000
arts program.

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00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Then when the undergraduate program closed.

633
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:22,000
There was another major shift towards
away from the multidisciplinary

634
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,001
aspect to a more subject specific collection.
So I discontinued

635
00:48:28,001 --> 00:48:33,000
some of the multi multi
disciplinary databases and started

636
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,001
acquiring or

637
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,001
Building for the human resource management
or education program was one of our

638
00:48:44,001 --> 00:48:47,001
large programs and of course, social justice.

639
00:48:47,001 --> 00:48:54,000
So we bought some subject specific databases,
but we only really

640
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:00,000
bought maybe two or three print
items and two of those were and

641
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,001
requested by sister Barbara in the
social justice department, and I

642
00:49:06,001 --> 00:49:12,000
found an invoice here Jackson rising
the struggle for economic democracy and

643
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,001
black self determination was one
of our last print books that

644
00:49:17,001 --> 00:49:19,000
bar sister Barbara ordered.

645
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,000
We also bought encyclopedia
of African American history.

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00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,000
And those were our print that was
part of our print collection.

647
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,000
And so at some point during the the
considerations, then there was the decision

648
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,000
to close the school and to close the library.
And can you can you walk us through

649
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,000
some of the decision making and some of
the conversations that were happening on

650
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,000
campus about what to do with the library.

651
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:54,000
Yeah. So then there was the
second phase which was closing

652
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,000
the graduate programs and just
closing Mary grow completely.

653
00:50:00,001 --> 00:50:05,000
Um, so I'm trying to think
how to answer that question.

654
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:13,000
We, the first thing we did was tried
to do we did a quick literature review

655
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,001
to see what was out there about how to
close a library and there really was very

656
00:50:16,001 --> 00:50:23,000
little one article that helped us was
when the library closes by Marianne

657
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Griffith, if Griffin, and that was
published in 1984 but it was kind of a

658
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,000
roadmap for us.

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00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,000
So, So your question was sent.

660
00:50:39,001 --> 00:50:42,000
So what to do with the collection itself.

661
00:50:42,001 --> 00:50:49,001
When people heard that the Mary Grove was
closing different vendors contacted me

662
00:50:49,001 --> 00:50:54,001
so I didn't have to reach out very much.
If at all, that there were two or three

663
00:50:54,001 --> 00:50:59,001
booksellers that were interested in buying
from books from us but they wanted to

664
00:50:59,001 --> 00:51:06,000
selectively take this, just the best
materials and that wasn't going to.

665
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,000
That wasn't the solution to our problem.
So when I heard about it actually was a,

666
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,001
it was a Wayne State University
librarian that contacted me.

667
00:51:17,001 --> 00:51:22,000
Mike Can you help me remember her name,
it was, she sent me an email Alexandra

668
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,001
Sarkozy. Yes, yes. And I thanked her,
she contacted me and we just kind of a

669
00:51:27,001 --> 00:51:30,001
whisper little email and she said
you know internet archive might

670
00:51:30,001 --> 00:51:32,000
be interested in.

671
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,000
In talking to you about your collection
and that got the ball rolling.

672
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,001
I really appreciated her.

673
00:51:39,001 --> 00:51:44,001
Because she didn't know me she they
might get to come, you came and a couple

674
00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:48,001
other librarians from Wayne.
Was that to look at our furniture.

675
00:51:49,001 --> 00:51:54,001
Yeah, that was that that was the, you know,
the what we could, and then yeah and

676
00:51:54,001 --> 00:51:59,000
it was, you know,
we had mentioned to Alexandra prior to

677
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,001
coming and she couldn't make the trip.

678
00:52:00,001 --> 00:52:04,000
And so, reached out to you.

679
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,001
Yeah, so she gave me the heads up on that.

680
00:52:08,001 --> 00:52:14,001
Then there was that those weeks when
Mike you and I and other librarians at

681
00:52:14,001 --> 00:52:16,000
Wayne were considering.

682
00:52:16,001 --> 00:52:21,001
There was reluctance to give up the Michigan
and Detroit collections because Mary

683
00:52:21,001 --> 00:52:25,000
Grove College, Wayne had a great as
a great collection there are some

684
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,000
duplications, but Mary Grove also had a very.

685
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,001
Well developed Michigan and Detroit
collection and we were reluctant to get that

686
00:52:34,001 --> 00:52:40,001
up in the beginning. So we are at we
approached Wayne to consider housing those

687
00:52:40,001 --> 00:52:46,001
collections you can you talk a little bit
about the discussion about that, Mike.

688
00:52:48,001 --> 00:52:52,000
Yeah, we get when we after our initial visit.

689
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:59,000
And just, you gave me a tour I just
realized just how much stuff you have, you

690
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,000
know, it wasn't just the main library
itself but it was the storage facility up

691
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
down and you know below.

692
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:13,000
And when you when you show me where the
where the Detroit collection was like oh

693
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,000
wow this would be great for to add to our
collection because it was a there was

694
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000
some duplication but not a lot.

695
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:27,000
And so it helped build it would have helped
build a gap in our collection. And as

696
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,000
I said, we definitely would have
created sort of a sub special

697
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
collection Mary Grove collection.

698
00:53:33,001 --> 00:53:40,000
So that's how the conversation went for
a while. And then, as we started talking

699
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,001
about logistics and, you know,
we're moving into the

700
00:53:42,001 --> 00:53:44,000
holiday and, you know, it was.

701
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,001
We just came to the conclusion that
Wayne that it's just, it wasn't really a

702
00:53:50,001 --> 00:53:54,000
value add to the community for
us to take the collection.

703
00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:00,001
It would not be more accessible at Wayne
than it had been at Mary Grove, because

704
00:54:00,001 --> 00:54:07,000
these were academic libraries were not
public libraries so There was that

705
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:13,001
barrier to the public, the local community
access to these collections so that's

706
00:54:13,001 --> 00:54:18,000
why it was a great solution to
have the whole collection just

707
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
digitized and put online.

708
00:54:21,001 --> 00:54:26,000
Yeah, and the, the Internet Archive came
into this conversation and in very much

709
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:32,000
the same sort of almost accidental ways
and the in the conversations that that

710
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,000
you and Mike were having and you know
between Mary Grove and Wayne State, it just

711
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,001
so happened that the Internet Archive was
that we were in Michigan working on a

712
00:54:40,001 --> 00:54:45,001
project and had a friend, you know,
like a friend of a friend who worked at Wayne

713
00:54:45,001 --> 00:54:49,001
State and heard about this collection as
we were packing up another collection.

714
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,000
And so it was like, well, hey, we're here,
we might as well let's let's go across

715
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,000
town and talk with the, with the folks
at Mary Grove College and see what we

716
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,001
might be able to do. And so I remember
being involved in conversations with both

717
00:55:01,001 --> 00:55:06,000
Mary, you and Mike to talk about this
like why should the disposition of the

718
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,001
collections be and I was really happy to
to hear you know there was a there was a

719
00:55:11,001 --> 00:55:15,001
moment in time in those conversations
where it was like well the Detroit the

720
00:55:15,001 --> 00:55:18,001
local collections were going to go to
Wayne State and you know from from my

721
00:55:18,001 --> 00:55:21,000
perspective as a librarian, that makes sense.

722
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,001
I was, you know, let's keep local materials
locally but then once, once Wayne

723
00:55:25,001 --> 00:55:29,000
State came back once Mike had a
conversation and they said no we want the

724
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
whole collection to stay together.

725
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,000
That was even better like that's what
we're trying to, you know, to get we want

726
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,001
to keep those as Brewster was saying keep
those those collections are more than

727
00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:43,001
the library is more than just the, you know,
individual books, there's value in

728
00:55:43,001 --> 00:55:48,000
that entire collection that entire
collection is cultural heritage so we were

729
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:54,000
pleased to be able to say yeah if you
know if Wayne State can't take all of the

730
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,000
collection and 70,000 books is an
awful lot to take on for a library.

731
00:55:59,001 --> 00:56:04,000
And if you, you know, if you're not going
to take the local materials, we'll take

732
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,000
it all. We'll take the entire library
and we'll digitize it and we'll make it

733
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,000
available so to marry to your point that,
you know, by by donating the materials

734
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,000
to the internet archive, so that we could
digitize them, make them available and

735
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,001
preserve the originals we now have access
global access to these, these, you

736
00:56:23,001 --> 00:56:27,000
know, these resources that were previously,
you know, just available

737
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,000
to a to a local community.

738
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000
They're now still available to that
local community but now they're

739
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,001
available to the world as well.

740
00:56:33,001 --> 00:56:38,001
And I'd like to pick up a little bit
on that of Brenda so you know now that

741
00:56:38,001 --> 00:56:40,001
now that all these materials are online.

742
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,001
What does this mean for students who are
currently studying social justice that

743
00:56:45,001 --> 00:56:49,001
this library has been digitized in
its entirety and and made available.

744
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,001
Well I think obviously access and,
which is huge.

745
00:56:54,001 --> 00:56:58,000
But, you know, social justice materials.

746
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,000
When you talk about nonfiction many people
focus on those but there's also tons

747
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,001
of fiction that help put yourself
in the place of the other.

748
00:57:08,001 --> 00:57:15,000
And I think that that is a really
strong piece that we all need a

749
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000
dose of, if you know what I'm saying.

750
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:25,000
If we're going to try to get along more
and push ourselves along towards a

751
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,001
more just and peaceful society.

752
00:57:27,001 --> 00:57:32,001
When I think of understanding different
cultures when you can't necessarily get

753
00:57:32,001 --> 00:57:35,000
there. And certainly with coven.

754
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,001
Nobody's letting the United States
people go out and about so on, you know,

755
00:57:41,001 --> 00:57:44,001
reading something like the God of
small things which gives you the

756
00:57:44,001 --> 00:57:46,000
culture in India.

757
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,001
And some of the struggles with that.
I think not only adds to your knowledge base

758
00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:58,001
but it affirms your own feelings,
perhaps of anger or depression

759
00:57:58,001 --> 00:58:00,000
or joy.

760
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:07,001
And it gives you a wider view of the world.
And we can see that not only some of

761
00:58:07,001 --> 00:58:10,000
the justice issues that we have here.

762
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:17,000
There's also many. There's also many
issues that are very similar going

763
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,001
along around the world.

764
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:25,000
And it can connect us to the fact
that many people are working on

765
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000
bringing a more just world.

766
00:58:28,001 --> 00:58:31,001
You know, in the future,
and that we are not alone.

767
00:58:33,001 --> 00:58:38,000
That that togetherness I think is going
to be increasingly important as we are

768
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,000
sitting here alone, you know,
increasingly alone in our, you know, sort of

769
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,000
temporary situation here.

770
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:51,000
I'm curious now, Mike so you have access
to these books and this collection

771
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,001
without having to manage it.
What does that mean for for you as a librarian.

772
00:58:56,001 --> 00:59:02,001
Well, I was looking at the
question I was thinking about the,

773
00:59:03,001 --> 00:59:07,000
and I'm not,
I'm not sure who coined it but the notion

774
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
of a collective collection.

775
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:16,001
That's how I think about is that, you know,
it's, it's part of it really is part

776
00:59:16,001 --> 00:59:19,001
of our collection and and for our users.

777
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,000
They essentially don't care where the
where the material originates where you

778
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,001
know whose server is sitting on or
they just want to have access to it.

779
00:59:29,001 --> 00:59:36,000
And I think on one hand, from a librarian
administrative standpoint and even from

780
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,001
a budgetary standpoint, it's great
that we have access to this material.

781
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:48,001
Because it really does expand
our collection exponentially in

782
00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:52,001
areas that we would not have
traditionally collected in.

783
00:59:52,001 --> 00:59:59,000
And so it gives our users direct access
to resources that they would have had to

784
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,000
go somewhere else to get to.

785
01:00:02,001 --> 01:00:09,000
And for our users from their perspective,
it really does channels channels of

786
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,000
them where they don't have to go to Google
or wiki or, you know, what they have

787
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,000
access to reputable resources by
reputable authors and reputable

788
01:00:19,001 --> 01:00:24,000
areas of study and in great scholarship.
And so for us, it's a, it's

789
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,001
a win win all the way around.

790
01:00:27,001 --> 01:00:32,001
Now having those that single click access
to verifiable facts you know the the

791
01:00:32,001 --> 01:00:36,000
fact that you know we've, we've done
that integration we've talked about this

792
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,000
previously we've integrated with Wikipedia.

793
01:00:38,001 --> 01:00:43,000
And in fact, you know the books from
Mary Grove that we've digitized and made

794
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,000
available have now been woven into the
web they've now been integrated into that

795
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:53,000
single click access from citations and
Wikipedia, so that anyone now can can can

796
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,001
learn from these books that have
been made available online.

797
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,000
We've also just shared here in the q amp
a couple links to the to the collection

798
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,000
online if anyone would like to to browse it.

799
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:12,000
But I'd like to just to ask Mary
you the final question for this

800
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,001
for the session before we give everyone
a chance for final remarks, but I'm

801
01:01:16,001 --> 01:01:20,001
wondering if you can help like encapsulate
what can other librarians learn or

802
01:01:20,001 --> 01:01:23,001
take away from the from Mary groves experience.

803
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:32,000
Well, I hope other librarians never have
to experience closing their library

804
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,000
I certainly didn't anticipate
that when I went to Mary Grove.

805
01:01:37,001 --> 01:01:42,000
And I think I mentioned earlier there
isn't a lot out there on how to

806
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,000
manage closing a library.

807
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:52,001
So I, I, I have a list of steps that
I might recommend I'm not sure Chris.

808
01:01:53,001 --> 01:01:59,000
What do you mean by that question maybe.
Yeah, just the actually the kind of

809
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,000
things you might want to actually be
you know maybe those steps maybe that's

810
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,001
something that you that you could
publish I know I think my commitment.

811
01:02:05,001 --> 01:02:12,000
He also had, you know,
brought had closed a library too so if the last

812
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,001
scholarship on this was in the
1980s maybe there is a paper or a

813
01:02:15,001 --> 01:02:17,001
post that that could come from this.

814
01:02:17,001 --> 01:02:22,001
Yeah, that publication, things hadn't
changed that much in a way that was helpful

815
01:02:22,001 --> 01:02:28,001
to us, the steps kind of general broad
stroke straps steps that were listed.

816
01:02:29,001 --> 01:02:36,000
But in my case in our case, I was very
concerned about just disentangling the

817
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:43,000
library from other agreements like
donut that that Mike mentioned, we had

818
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:49,001
we were we had financial connections,
like, like,

819
01:02:49,001 --> 01:02:52,000
librarians in general we like to collaborate.

820
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,000
But now, you know, all the any financial
entanglements that we had to kind of

821
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:02,000
disengage. And that involves some negotiations.

822
01:03:03,001 --> 01:03:10,001
We, we needed to get our materials back
and pay our bills make make sure that

823
01:03:10,001 --> 01:03:13,000
we didn't have any else, any outstanding bills.

824
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,001
It was. There was a stage when you have
to negotiate with other with your, your

825
01:03:18,001 --> 01:03:24,001
database vendors to maybe pro make see
if you can get a pro rate on your,

826
01:03:24,001 --> 01:03:30,000
your databases because you we were still,
it was like, I don't know if this is

827
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,000
too much of a cliche now but it was
like trying to fly and fly an airplane,

828
01:03:34,001 --> 01:03:38,001
excuse me, build an airplane when it was
flying or just taking an airplane apart

829
01:03:38,001 --> 01:03:43,000
or something but we were still offering
courses courses were going on when we

830
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,000
were closing the library so we couldn't,
we still had to make materials available

831
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:53,000
to our students to the last day of class
and then close on the last day of class.

832
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,001
So that was a bit tricky.

833
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,001
So these are kind of the thoughts that
I have about closing the library.

834
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:09,001
Another another, in addition to the fact
that the college was still in operation.

835
01:04:10,001 --> 01:04:17,000
The Mary Grove was transitioning to was
renovating the building, so that for

836
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:23,000
a secondary school to to occupy the
building at the same time so there was

837
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:29,001
construction going on while we
were closing down the library

838
01:04:29,001 --> 01:04:34,001
and classes were still in Mary Grove
classes are still in session so it's a

839
01:04:34,001 --> 01:04:41,001
number of very major issues
going on when we were trying

840
01:04:41,001 --> 01:04:47,000
to close down a lot sounds like a lot
of moving parts and I'm sure a lot of

841
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,000
confusion and a lot of emotions tied up
in that you know as everything that we've

842
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,000
heard from from everyone throughout the
you know the past year plus that I've

843
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,000
worked with the Mary Grove community is just,
you know, how sad it is that the

844
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,001
college is closing but if there was any
kind of silver lining it's that the

845
01:05:04,001 --> 01:05:10,000
library was going to persist and that
that legacy of the of the college and of

846
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,000
the library would continue.
So, in our, in our closing moments here

847
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,001
I'd like to just offer.

848
01:05:16,001 --> 01:05:20,001
Get your thoughts from each of you on,
you know, what's the impact for the

849
01:05:20,001 --> 01:05:26,001
community that you represent for that that
the entire Mary Grove College library

850
01:05:26,001 --> 01:05:32,000
is now online and available to all.
Let's start with you Brenda please.

851
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:38,001
It's exciting, I'm thrilled that it
just won't be in one small corner, and

852
01:05:38,001 --> 01:05:45,001
that it's accessible to all those,
you know, who have Wi Fi or they can go to

853
01:05:45,001 --> 01:05:50,001
other places to to access it
it is just exciting, and it

854
01:05:50,001 --> 01:05:52,000
was, I was looking through it.

855
01:05:52,001 --> 01:05:56,000
You've just done an amazing
job Chris it's beautiful, just

856
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,000
absolutely beautiful ones my heart.

857
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:03,000
Thanks for that I can take absolutely
no credit for it there's a an army of

858
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,001
engineers and librarians standing behind
me and so we thank you collectively from

859
01:06:08,001 --> 01:06:12,001
from everyone we're, we're really happy
to you know to play a part up to play a

860
01:06:12,001 --> 01:06:17,000
role in this in this project,
Mike how about to you for for final thoughts.

861
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:24,001
Well, as you kind of alluded to we,
we close our science and engineering library

862
01:06:24,001 --> 01:06:27,001
at the around 2017.

863
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:35,000
And so that's where was a little bit of
overlap between Mary Grove and us. We

864
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:40,000
weren't aware of the internet archives
and what you could do and the options at

865
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,000
the time and we were winding down our
science and engineering library so

866
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,000
so in retrospect.

867
01:06:46,001 --> 01:06:53,001
There's a great deal of sadness about
the choices that we made regarding our

868
01:06:53,001 --> 01:06:59,001
collection of the science and engineering
library, but there's also just

869
01:06:59,001 --> 01:07:06,000
really a really a real sense of
relation that there, you guys are

870
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,000
out there, and what you what you were
able to do with Mary grows collection and

871
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,000
make it accessible and make

872
01:07:39,001 --> 01:07:43,000
What could have been a very
much more difficult situation.

873
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,000
So thank you.

874
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,000
Yeah, you know we we've been.

875
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,001
We wanted to tell this story about the
work that we've done with Mary Grove and

876
01:07:51,001 --> 01:07:56,000
making the entire library available
online because increasingly we're getting

877
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,000
approached by libraries that are facing
financial challenges because of COVID-19

878
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,000
about how what do we do with our large
print collections and so we're hoping to

879
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:11,000
get ahead of any other libraries who are
doing these large scale reading projects

880
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,001
or closures, so that we can like we want
people to know we're here, we want to

881
01:08:16,001 --> 01:08:21,000
help preserve that that intellectual unit
we want to preserve that library and

882
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make it available to everyone So thanks
Mike for for for the assist there and for

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for helping to tell the Wayne State story
as part of this final final thoughts

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and last words over to you Mary.

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Yeah, I feel like Mike's
comments can reflect my feelings

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about how this internet archive and its role

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01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:54,001
in helping Mary Grove, maintain a legacy and

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still wind down its physical
presence and then reemerge as in

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in its electronic form.

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And also I wanted to say something
about when we were packing up it

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was the local community was brought in
to help with the packing so that I think

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that helped them feel part of the
operation and I felt that the

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Internet Archive was very respectful
of our concerns about the

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Detroit and Michigan collection.

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01:09:27,001 --> 01:09:34,001
There was no Internet Archive to step
back in fact when I would suggest maybe

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you know that we would just
include that as part of the

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whole digitization process.

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You know, they gave you know you sure you
know they wanted me to think about it

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and I appreciated that that courtesy
and that consideration. So it was

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it helped us come to a well the
library the college is still

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01:09:57,001 --> 01:10:04,000
winding down it's still trying to do go
through its final stages and closing

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,001
but the library is the
physical libraries closed and

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01:10:08,001 --> 01:10:10,001
now it's reemerging. So that's great.

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01:10:11,001 --> 01:10:16,001
Yeah, it's, you know, the physical library
is closed but the library lives on,

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and it's available to everyone now.
I'd like to bring Brewster kale back into

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into the session today so we have a final,
a final surprise a final bit for

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today we were here at the at the ribbon
cutting ceremony so Brewster I'd like

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to pass back to you.

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01:10:37,001 --> 01:10:41,001
Thank you. Well, Mary Grove is a first,
I think you really want to want to sort

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of celebrate the moment that Mary Grove
is a leader in something that isn't just

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affecting those that are closing.

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This is a complete college
library going online. Um,

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it's physically preserved. So I don't
know that we really emphasize that enough

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that the books are physically
preserved they were never destroyed

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01:11:05,001 --> 01:11:07,000
they were they were just binded.

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They're beautifully kept kept. They're
not accessible on shelves like they were

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in the beautiful building and Mary Grove,
but they're kept.

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And then they're digitized the access
version is going online and it's for love

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,001
of books for love of libraries and for
love of communities that the Internet

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01:11:26,001 --> 01:11:31,000
Archive has been able to raise the money
to be able to do this project that cost

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:37,001
millions to be able to pull off and it's
in partnership with Mary Grove that

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had this vision, going forward.
It's not the first library that I'm aware of to

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go completely online but it's the first
complete college library that john Adams

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presidential library, all the books that
john Adams had are in the Boston Public

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01:11:52,001 --> 01:11:57,001
Library, and a number of years ago,
they raised the money to go and have those

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books all digitized and have those now
go online so that people can go and

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01:12:04,001 --> 01:12:08,001
see what were the shaping
factors of john Adams.

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So this is the shaping factors that did
a generation of students generations of

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,001
students that went through Mary Grove College,
and I'd say the opportunity here

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01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:25,001
is to build on this online civil justice,
social justice

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collections and have it live live on.

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01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:34,000
We're talking with many libraries now
that are going through real changes.

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Whether it's colleges that need to shrink
down by half or three quarters of their

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physical collections, they have to go
somewhere else because they need the space

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01:12:44,001 --> 01:12:48,001
for students to explore a new and
different ways, but they still want

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access to the materials.

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01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:55,001
And it's not just books, it's cereal so
when we were collecting the Mary Grove

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collection it was just fabulous.

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,001
Jordan Mo down his son Jeremy and they
went and recruited from the local area,

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and they all work together and there was like,
Okay, now

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what do we do with the reference collection.

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:13,001
Okay, how about the microfilm.
Okay, how about the long playing records. What

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about the videos, and it was like all of
this makes sense as a college library.

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And not only does it make sense as a
retrospective it's not just a museum item.

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It's being used, but then we want to build
on it so that the traditions of Mary

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Grove live on.

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01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:39,001
That's the exciting part about, about this.
And we now have other publishers

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like PM press that are selling ebooks
that are on the same subject area to the

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01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,000
Internet Archive to be lent out,
but really sold, not in the licensee weird

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:57,001
things that are going on, that actually
define a lot of the lawsuit problems, but

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01:13:57,001 --> 01:14:02,001
selling the books like the publishers
sold physical books that they can be

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01:14:02,001 --> 01:14:08,000
preserved and lent by by libraries.
So I think Mary Grove can be an inspiring

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01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:15,000
example, not just for all libraries that
are in transition. So can we take these

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01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:20,001
libraries digitize them, make them available
in new and different ways to digital

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01:14:20,001 --> 01:14:26,000
learners, keep the physical materials
as accessible as we can possibly afford

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,001
because there's nothing quite
like having a physical book.

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01:14:28,001 --> 01:14:35,000
But can we go and use Mary Grove as an example,
going, going

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01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:41,001
forward with with that, I would like to
do a another zoom original here I would

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01:14:41,001 --> 01:14:47,000
like to go and do the official ribbon
cutting on the reopening of the Mary

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,001
Grove College Library.

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Take it away.

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01:15:18,001 --> 01:15:22,001
Thank you so much for your participation
in the conversation today. I did want to

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01:15:22,001 --> 01:15:28,001
acknowledge that Valerie Dearing who was
featured in the, in the documentary that

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we played at the start is also part of
our session today and so I just want to

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give us a special shout out and thank you
to her to Val for her participation in

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01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,001
that documentary that her and
sharing her story and her

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01:15:42,001 --> 01:15:44,000
message really really powerful.

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,001
So, as we wind down today I want to bring
us full circle, and I want to go back

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to our first conversation of the Leaders
Forum on October 6, and we kicked off

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the forum with the launch of our
empowering libraries campaign.

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And so throughout our discussions over
these past three weeks, you've learned how

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libraries are using control digital lending
to meet their patrons where they're

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reading and learning today,
and as we all understand, that's online.

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:18,001
But CDL as we've heard is in control
digital lending is under attack. The

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01:16:18,001 --> 01:16:23,000
publishers lawsuit threatens control
digital lending this long standing and

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,000
widespread library practice that's now
being used by hundreds of libraries to

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,001
help connect their patrons with digital
versions of the books that are on their

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01:16:31,001 --> 01:16:33,001
shelves is under threat.

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01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:40,000
And so our empowering libraries campaign
aims to rally support for control

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digital lending and to help libraries
understand where control digital lending

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01:16:44,001 --> 01:16:48,001
fits in that robust information
ecosystem that we've talked about

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throughout the throughout the forum.

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01:16:51,001 --> 01:16:55,001
So these three weeks that we've had together
with the forum were just the start.

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And the question that you, I hope that you
have that that's coming to mind is how

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01:17:00,001 --> 01:17:02,000
can you keep the momentum going.

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01:17:02,001 --> 01:17:07,000
And that's the purpose of the empowering
libraries campaign to turn our

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conversations here into action. So there
are three things that you can do today.

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To, to start keep this conversation going
first join the campaign, we have a link

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01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,000
to the to the campaign from the library
leaders forum website that's library

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,001
leaders forum.org and by joining the campaign,
you'll receive updates and calls

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01:17:27,001 --> 01:17:30,000
to action of when and how we need your help.

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01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,001
You can also find out more by following
the the empowering libraries hashtag. So

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that's the second thing, keep following
us on social media at Internet Archive,

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01:17:39,001 --> 01:17:44,000
and through the the hashtag empowering
libraries, we will continue our

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,001
conversation online using that
empowering libraries hashtag.

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And a final thing. The third thing that
how we can keep the momentum going

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support your local library, read a book.

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If you can't get to your local library or
if the books that you want are checked

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out of your library, check out one of ours.
We have more than 1.8 million modern

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books that are currently available through
control digital lending, including the

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70,000 volumes from the Mary Grove
College Library, now available online.

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As we wrap today I just want to give a
personal thanks to to everyone who's

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participated in the in our sessions
over these past three weeks.

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There, there are a number of people to
thank we can't thank anyone trying to do

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it all individually would take too long
and we have of course forget someone so a

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big thank you to all of the people
behind the scenes who've helped make the

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01:18:40,001 --> 01:18:46,001
library leaders forum, an event,
a successful event this year and hopefully next

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01:18:46,001 --> 01:18:49,000
year we'll be able to do a
bit more of this in person.

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And for me, as a librarian, it's rewarding
to see the the number of people who've

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shown up over these three sessions we've
had more than generally about nearly 500

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01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:07,000
people have registered each for each one
of these sessions, and mostly in almost

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01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,001
every case we've had, we've started
the day with with more than 200 people

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01:19:11,001 --> 01:19:16,000
participating in our conversation so thank
you to the community abroad thank you

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01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,001
to the community for staying with us.
And with that, I would like to offer

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Brewster the floor for final thoughts.

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01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:30,001
Thank you all for coming together for
this control digital lending is just one

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01:19:30,001 --> 01:19:37,000
arrow in our quiver as libraries to
stay relevant, stay essential to

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01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:41,001
people's lives to build collections that
reflect our communities and not just be

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01:19:41,001 --> 01:19:48,000
generic database license source of the
same old Netflix of books. We need

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libraries to be fervent and
vibrant and in times and change

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01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:59,001
and technologies change, but also political
environments change and sometimes

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01:19:59,001 --> 01:20:01,001
libraries are more under threat than others.

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01:20:01,001 --> 01:20:06,001
Maybe through budgets, maybe through
laws and restrictions they're being told

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01:20:06,001 --> 01:20:11,001
what it is they can have in their collections
and not let's remember who we are,

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01:20:11,001 --> 01:20:15,000
what we're for what what
role we play in the world.

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It's why we're paid the big bucks.
Let's go off and be fabulous libraries of the

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Internet Archive can be all available
in any way, please contact any of us of

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01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,001
what it is, you think that we can do more
to help you to help patrons to steer us

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01:20:31,001 --> 01:20:35,000
through [...] want to share how the
evolution of libraries goes in this exciting

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time where digital libraries.
We're all digital learners now we're all

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01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:46,000
homeschoolers now. Let's use it
leverage it propel ourselves into that

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future. And thank you very much.

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01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,001
Thank you all for your time and attention
today. Thank you Brewster for for those

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words and just a final note to everyone.

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01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:06,000
We, the video for today's session will be
out probably on Thursday, we will send

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an email to everyone, and just a final
thanks to everyone for your time your

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01:21:10,001 --> 01:21:14,001
attention and your enthusiasm today we
appreciate your time, and we appreciate

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your coming and listening to us.

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01:21:16,001 --> 01:21:17,000
Thank you much.

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:26,000
Thank you.